Thursday, November 17, 2005

USA Today Article on We Need A Fence.com

There is an article today in USA Today about the Border Fence Issue.

By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY

A once-radical idea to build a 2,000-mile steel-and-wire fence on the U.S.-Mexican border is gaining momentum amid warnings that terrorists can easily sneak into the country.

In Congress, a powerful Republican lawmaker this week proposed building such a fence across the entire border and two dozen other lawmakers signed on. And via the Internet, a group called weneedafence.com has raised enough money to air TV ads warning that the border is open to terrorists. Even at the Homeland Security Department, which opposes building a border-long fence, Secretary Michael Chertoff this fall waived environmental laws so that construction can continue on a 14-mile section of fence near San Diego that has helped border agents stem the flow of illegal migrants and drug runners.

"You have to be able to enforce your borders," says California Rep. Duncan Hunter, the Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. He's proposing a fence from San Diego to Brownsville, Texas. "It's no longer just an immigration issue. It's now a national security issue."

Colin Hanna of weneedafence.com says "there is incredible momentum on this issue," fueled by the specter of another Sept. 11. His group aired TV ads in Washington, D.C., this fall and plans more next year.

Fencing the border, originally proposed in the debate over how to stop illegal immigration, is controversial. The Bush administration argues that a Berlin Wall-style barrier would be a huge waste of money — costing up to $8 billion.

Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar says it makes more sense to use a mix of additional agents, better surveillance and tougher enforcement of immigration laws — and fences.
But Hunter points to the experience in San Diego, where the number of illegal migrants arrested is one-sixth of what it was before the fence was built.

"People have made stupid editorial comments about the Great Wall of China," he says, "but the only thing that has worked is that fence."

Find this article at: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-17-border-fence_x.htm

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21 Comments:

At Thu Nov 17, 03:43:00 PM 2005, Blogger Fence Man said...

I love your idea but I think we need to build a fence around the entire United States, including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. The fence should be at least 40,000 feet high to keep out flying terrorists. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last terrosits to hit this country came from Saudi Arabia, and before that their was McVeigh and Nichols, therefore I think we need walls between each state also. Once we get all those walls built it'll be a simple matter to obtain a governmental permit to visit the next state over, or go to work. Think of how safe we'll be! At a minimum, we need a fence between us and Canada, most Canadians believe we're a bunch of sophmoric, easily led, overweight people. AND, they didn't buy into our "version of events" in Iraq (like the rest of the world). Fence 'em out!

I also believe that the Bill of Rights needs to be suspended to protect our freedoms. As an afterthought, we need to change our national slogan from "The land of the free and the home of the brave" to the land of the not quite free, but very safe - chickens"

 
At Thu Nov 17, 03:44:00 PM 2005, Blogger anonymous787878 said...

You are all completely insane. This website is ridiculous. Thank you and goodnight.

 
At Thu Nov 17, 04:26:00 PM 2005, Blogger Eric M. Meyer said...

I completely agree with the We Need A Fence Campaign. Perhaps the other commentators on this article have forgotten that they are paying for these illegal immigrants to settle into our country, break our laws, and jam up our judicial system with ridiculous immigration cases. I am glad someone is finally voicing the necessity for increased security at our Mexican/American border. I am not a racists against Mexicans, I just believe there is a right way to live the American dream and a wrong way. Crossing our border illegally is the wrong way. Please visit my site, The Meyer Factor for more information on my opinions and views regarding world, national, and local politics.

www.meyerfactor.blogspot.com

 
At Thu Nov 17, 04:41:00 PM 2005, Blogger Dragyyn said...

I think a fence is a great ideal. I myself am a legal mexican and think any one who is against this should tell their reasoning to the widow of the fallen Dallas Police officer who was killed in the line of duty this past weekend by an illegal immigrant who stated that the reason he shot the cop was, "Because it was easy."

 
At Thu Nov 17, 08:50:00 PM 2005, Blogger manu4t said...

The only idiots on this website are the knee jerk reaction predictable left wing morons who think that holding hands with our brothers and sisters in the middle east and playing 60's peace songs on guitars all the while ignoring a problem that grows by the day is the only route to take here. The fact of the matter is that there are a number of people in this world who want to kill Americans irrespective of their belief system, on top of those who want to take what we have without paying for it. We need to take this route to stem the tide of murderers and freeloaders both of which do irreparable harm to this country. Anyone who thinks that this isnt accurate is welcome to revoke their American citizenships and move to the Middle East or Mexico and see for themselves.
The real danger to this country is the laissez faire attitude of the Howard Dean and Dick Durbin wannabe lefties who will settle for nothing less that to convince every one of us that we should all hate ourselves for being hard working Americans. Take your self hatred and move somewhere else!!

 
At Fri Nov 18, 12:01:00 AM 2005, Blogger david said...

Heres something I just sent to "Eric.M.Meyer". I am tearing up and i dont know if its anger or sadness. God is seeing all of this and its a shame.


you have no idea of what it feels like being in this country for so long and always having that sense of not fitting in. Ive been in this country for 11 years and im 17 and i dont even know why im wasting my time writting this. You say you are not racist on illegal immigrants and all of the social and economic problems they bring with them. " you contradict yourself with everything you say. I just watched this on the news weneedafence.com and it made me sick to my stomach knowing how people in this world can be so cruel. Who are you to think that you are above the level of immigrants, most which come to this country for jobs. Of course theres a small percentage of people that dont bring any good. Thats bound to happen. Please stop what you are doing and look at your life. Im just a normal kid, living a not so normal life, due to the barriers I have in this country. I am a senior wondering if i have a future...thank you

 
At Fri Nov 18, 12:46:00 AM 2005, Blogger Robert said...

David,

I'm wondering if you are in this country legally, if not then pack your bags, as we are a nation of laws and without them this government cannot exist. The fence is the most obvious and best solution to the current invasion from the south. If a fence is erected, 95% of illegal immigration will be stopped as it will not be exceedingly easy for people to hop skip and jump across the border. Perhaps the people now walking across the border will then be forced to deal with their own problems in Mexico. Life in Mexico will only improve when the government is forced to change. A fence is nothing but plain old common sense or perhaps an international version of tough love!

 
At Fri Nov 18, 01:37:00 AM 2005, Blogger Ishakamusa said...

The "catch and release" program is insane: if the bad guy gets in, he wins. If he doesn't, he tries again. All he loses was the money it cost for him to try the first time.

From a cost vs. benefits analysis, it is worth it for the bad guy to try over and over, until he succeeds.

Besides building a giant minefield across the US (not a stupid fence), upsetting this cost vs. benefits analysis is the way to go:

Modify the negative consequences of getting caught. E.g. if we catch you, we give you 20 years of hard labor, and then send you home.

Some bad guys will destroy their papers so we can't send them home. But if you pay Nigeria a few thousand dollars a head, they'll take anyone. So then the bad guy is looking at 20 years hard labor, and being stuck in Nigeria. He would probably decide that the risk isn't worth the potential benefits -- and as a result, the illegal immigration problem is solved.

The key thing is that we need to think creatively and potentially cruelly. And if the bad guys don't like it -- well, too bad. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

 
At Fri Nov 18, 10:24:00 AM 2005, Blogger Tman said...

30 years ago LEGAL immigration into the U.S. was less than 500,000 a year. Today LEGAL immigration with the H1B and L1B Visas is over one million a year. On top of this add the flood of illegal immigration and the anchor babies (http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/birthrightcitizenship.htm) that stem from this illegal tide and the result is an ever increasing burden on the U.S. infrastructure and U.S. citizens.
I am all for a border fence across our Southern borders. The U.S. with it’s under funded Border Patrol, lax immigration policies and laws and automatic citizenship for babies born in the U.S. are incentives for the wave of illegal immigrants flooding across our borders. I believe the United States should give a stern message to anyone attempting to enter the U.S. illegally that they will be punished and deported back to their country of origin and stiff penalties levied for anyone hiring illegal immigrants (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_illegal_workers)
This is not the United States of 1886. The United States does not want the world's tired, poor or huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, temptes-tost not to me but keep them your own SHORES! We have enough!

 
At Fri Nov 18, 03:13:00 PM 2005, Blogger Tman said...

anonymous787878 building a fence to protect and define the borders of the Soverign nation of the United States has nothing to do with hatered, and everything to do with protecting and helping to enforuce the laws of the U.S.
I encourage you to view the following web sites.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/5355595/detail.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_illegal_workers


http://www.numbersusa.com/index

 
At Fri Nov 18, 05:48:00 PM 2005, Blogger chichi said...

I think the greater points are being missed here. Point 1--Most Americans have no problem with legal immigration--just illegal. Illegal immigrants are, many times, the ones who would not be able to make it into the US legally. That is the point. Legal immigration is perfectly acceptable and noble, but legal immigration and national security will never be truly achieved unless we first control our borders.

Point 2--It is not necessarily the Mexican people crossing the border illegally that I fear most. It is the Syrians, Saudis, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Iranians, etc., who get into Mexico and then illegally cross the border into the US. Those people I do fear.

Point 3--The fence promotes safe border crossing. Right now, hundreds of people die each year in the deserts trying to cross the border in the worst possible areas. A fence funnels people to a single, controllable point. It won't take long for word to spread about the impervious nature of the fence, and slow the tide as San Diego has proven.

To most of us who are thinking compassionately and objectively, the fence is not only the obvious solution, but the best one for people on both sides.

 
At Sat Nov 19, 08:16:00 PM 2005, Blogger Ken said...

Root causes of the economic desperation that forces people to make dangerous attempts to enter a foreign land often leaving family and loved ones behind?

G-L-O-B-A-L-I-Z-A-T-I-O-N!

Want to stop illegal immigration? Work for fair trade and economic justice. Building fences will only exacerbate the problem.

 
At Sun Nov 20, 11:41:00 AM 2005, Blogger Robert said...

How many years will it take for fair trade and economic justice to take place? Do you honestly think that would stop the people from coming in by the thousands each day? If you've been to the border you would know that there is absolutely nothing in many places to stop people from simply walking accross. If you take away the temptation of an easy walk and put up a barrier then they would be forced to go through legal channels and then the citizens of the U.S. could determine for themselves how many new citizens they want in this country. Do you honestly want to see a doubling of the population in the near future, the congestion(think about that the next time you're stuck in traffic), the pressures on the environment, not to mention the crime and lower wages that will prevail. I myself want to improve the quality of life in this Country, not destroy it. If you build the fence and penalize the employers of illegals then the problem will be solved.

 
At Sun Nov 20, 05:05:00 PM 2005, Blogger keycurt said...

Forget the fence. How about a 30 or 40 foot trench. the bottom 15 feet or so can be moving water that can be used to secure and monitor the border. It would be cheaper, let obtrusive and easier to maintain. cjm

 
At Sat Nov 26, 02:08:00 PM 2005, Blogger Ishakamusa said...

keycurt,

I like the trench more than the fence!

But I still think mines are cheaper. An antipersonnel minefield plus other things (e.g. your trench) will be cheaper than exposed barriers that the bad guys can attempt to circumvent.

You could even have the mines on our side of the border, with a big no-man's land between the minefield and the Mexican border. That way anybody who wants to try to get past the mines has to be in the USA in the first place, making it easier to apprehend them without provoking an international incident.

A fence just seems silly to me.

 
At Mon Nov 28, 03:06:00 PM 2005, Blogger Sara said...

We don't need a fence. We need a wall. A big one. Just like the Chinese have. With the National Guard protecting it. We need to feel safe and secure. We have alot of illegal mexicans in Idaho and it's time to move them on out of here.

 
At Sun Dec 04, 10:31:00 PM 2005, Blogger darrell said...

I imigrated into this GREAT COUNTRY allmost 40 years ago. Since then I have done all that I could to support MY country (THE USA) realizing they took me in at a time when I was a child without parents or a home. I have worked and paid my taxes without hesitation, I have voted every chance I get to make sure my voice is heard. I enlisted into the United States Marine Corps during the Vietnam War in an attempt to pay back what this country has allowed me to make of myself. I am a flag waving patriot through and through. I am all for mbuilding a fence across the TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER if that is what it will take to stem the flow of people who who couldn't care less about us. Immigrant workers my bag fat butt.... they get paid in cash, avoid taxes, avoid the criminal justice system by crying that their here illeagly, crash into you and run away cause their car is stiolen and uninsured...... FENCE EM OUT.... TILL THEY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO CLEAN UP THEIR OWN CLUSTERCLOD OF A THIRD WORLD NATION.

 
At Thu Dec 22, 06:15:00 PM 2005, Blogger Taurikid said...

As somone said this blog is absolutely ridiculous. I think the "antiterrorist" fence is just a pretext for America's xenophobia... I think people who supports this wall is either very narrow minded or racist, mexicans are not terrorist for god sakes, they just wanna live better... Whoever supports the building of this stupid wall is against human rights, come on people Mexicans are also people, why u hate them so much?. Whoever said this has not to do with hatred is very wrong, why canadians who are also flooded by immigrants don't make a fuss over it? the answe is because they don't base their society upon color of the skin I'm sorry to say people, admit u r racist.

 
At Thu Dec 22, 06:16:00 PM 2005, Blogger Taurikid said...

just something else, have u american citizens realized how much u r hated for the rest of the world? I'm a french citizen and I really think u should think again on what u r doing all over the world, nobody likes u.

 
At Wed Jan 25, 05:22:00 PM 2006, Blogger Landofthefreeish said...

Maybe you can pay the Mexicans cash to build it and save 4 Billion.

 
At Thu May 18, 06:31:00 PM 2006, Blogger noelegy said...

"taurikid," perhaps if you didn't live in a country which recently named a street after a convicted killer, and perhaps if you didn't substitute "u" for "you" and "r" for "are," then perhaps I could take your comments seriously. But alas, I cannot.

 

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